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Post by thelurker on Nov 7, 2007 21:51:29 GMT -5
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ENG27SQ
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Post by ENG27SQ on Nov 7, 2007 22:24:52 GMT -5
f***! Had to be... Red lights mean STOP! Even if it's green...the whole whopping 1 traffic light in our district we come to a California style stop (Rolling stop for those who dont know.) Just because it's green for people exiting Lebanon Lakes and Presidential Lakes doesn't mean someone wont try to run the light....always think about the stupid thing a driver can and most likely WILL do. I found a video of the "best fire company in the U.S.A" as they claim to be video (Yes, you guessed it, the famous Kentland of PG County) of their tower ladder running a red light and you can see the driver checks the intersection AFTER he's through it...thats REAL smart thinking..AND to boot, there were cars in the intersection. Now Im not trying to down the 33 house, but clearly this driver just wasnt concerned about his unit or his crew.. youtube.com/watch?v=MIOifAMq39kBe safe |
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Post by thelurker on Nov 8, 2007 9:07:23 GMT -5
Thanks keith...keep adding videos as you find them guys
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Post by 1710 on Nov 8, 2007 13:22:21 GMT -5
I know some of you have already seen this, but I think this is one of the better vidoes showing how important line placement and vertical ventialtion is. The time on the vidoe shows it all. This fire was contained in less than 5 minutes with what seems like minimal resources. I won't say that their safety practices are the best, but their tactics are there. These routine jobs are what we should be showing our firefighters. The toughest part is having them overlook some of the safety issues. youtube.com/watch?v=jB4vQYAaM3w |
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Post by 3105 on Nov 9, 2007 6:34:58 GMT -5
I agree Chief...textbook illustration of attacking from unburnt side...and a GREAT "Reading Smoke" video.
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Post by thelurker on Nov 9, 2007 14:03:21 GMT -5
[quote author=1710 board=general thread=1194490289 post=1194546141 These routine jobs are what we should be showing our firefighters. The toughest part is having them overlook some of the safety issues. [/quote] I have been talking to some of the guys from the Houston area on another site lately, they said those houses will burn for close to an hour before they have to worry about collapse. Also the insulation techniques down there mean the structures retain less heat. That is one super aggressive department and they seem to be very good at reading the structure and attacking it properly. Watch a bunch of their videos, we could only hope to make attacks like they do. Here is a link to HFD Station 19's Video Page www.firehouse19.com/Video%20Page%20New.htmAlso, check out their links page, some the other stations on there catch a lot of work too... |
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Post by ENG27SQ on Nov 11, 2007 20:10:30 GMT -5
Here we go again. People, yes, Im only 18, cant drive firetrucks yet (thank god id rather be inside working) but drivers need to SLOW THE HELL DOWN! this video im linking is a perfect example. WHAT law protects us if we blow a red light and nail a car? What law protects us if we go into the on coming lane and hit a car head on? Thats right, THERE ISNT! Each direction has it's own lane. STAY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE ROAD! I can only imagine the mess of the scene THEN the mess of paperwork if this truck responding which blew multiple red lights,had hit a car, or a car hit them. Some would say Im out of line but ya know what? I dont feel like being 1st due to my own apparatus accident because the driver pushed it too far or the officer pushed the driver. Driver has control, if the officer doesn't like it, drop your white shield or red helmet, get in the back, sit down and enjoy the ride. Whether your 1st due, or 8th due. Whether you see fire or not...wouldn't you rather go home to your family and friends? Dont get me wrong, when the "All Companies in Service" is transmitted we all wanna be 1st due, we all wanna see the fire but like I said...wouldn't you rather arrive alive and you all go home? Sorry for the rant....here's the link youtube.com/watch?v=0QYGhZFaUz0 |
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Post by Kramer on Nov 11, 2007 22:45:52 GMT -5
this ones about something we talk about in fire one but never really deal with in the real world, but makes a great reminder to be careful around car(specificially tanker) fires youtube.com/watch?v=LvThP6zdfMw |
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Post by 3105 on Nov 12, 2007 5:44:42 GMT -5
All this speeding and crazy driving stuff reminds me of what my old chief used to say: "It'll be there when I get there".
Unfortunately we can't as yet measure a person's adrenaline dump before making them a D/O, because that's the key ingredient to NTS. I've seen perfectly sane, careful, meticulous drivers turn into morons when they know it's work, as if the fire's going to go out before they get there. Haven't experienced that phenomenom yet...
The Houston vids make me uneasy and yes, I've seen others that leave me shaking my head. No matter what they say, NO structure that's been burning for an hour is safe.....it just means they've been incredibly lucky (then again, correct me if I'm wrong but they've suffered a few LODD's, haven't they?).
Instead of making things unnecessarily complicated, let's adopt some basic, common sense tactical standards, like adhering to the Twenty Minute Rule: If more water, firefighters, and/or ventilation hasn't made a significant difference in fire volume and spread after twenty minutes, then get out...it's coming down. Even if it doesn't come down, what exactly have you "saved"? Time and time again, our brothers and sisters are getting seriously hurt being around, in, or on structures after the 20 minute mark without any justifiable reason. Read NIOSH and DFS reports...join the FDSOA and get some useable information. The first twenty minutes of any working incident are the most dangerous because of conditions, adrenaline, and NTS. That's when we're most likely to make screwed up decisions because we're target-locked on DOING SOMETHING rather than DOING THE RIGHT THING.
All of us - from the oldest, most experienced chief to the newest boot, need to identify bad situations and make rational decisions. Many of the fires I've seen in my career have been weenie-roasts from the get go...not due to anything we did, but because it was a poop sandwich BEFORE we even got there.
Lastly, the jobs that make the hairs on my neck stand up are what I call the "tweeners"...and the basis for my persistence in advocating calling your strategic stance before the troops actually get there. "Tweeners" are not quite offensive or defensive, but situations that could easily go either way depending on too many circumstances and conditions we might not have knowledge of at that moment. Giving the incoming people a heads up as well as some pre-arranged parameters could be crucial to producing a favorable outcome, providing of course that everyone's training is on the same page.
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Post by 3105 on Nov 12, 2007 5:50:02 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering about my choice of descriptive language, apparently this forum will not let you post the word "sh*t"...it kept changing it to "nuts" when I hit the "Post Reply" button, thus requiring me to substitute "poop".
Interesting...automated censoring; now I'll have to come up with alternatives like "effuvium"
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Post by thelurker on Nov 13, 2007 22:40:45 GMT -5
For some reason the site won't allow those last .1.1's to be in the link, you will have to add them yourself in the URL on your browser...sorry.... www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4908326&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1Kinda sad to see a "professional" FD acting so irresponsibly. Look at the dummy kicking his burning helmet across the roof...if it was on your head, that wouldn't have been a problem dumbass. And what the hell is wrong with their ladder truck or chauffeur...who the hell operates an aerial ladder like that??? |
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Post by 3105 on Nov 14, 2007 5:49:21 GMT -5
What I see is nothing more than complacency. "I've done this <insert stupid action here> a hundred times and nothing bad has ever happened...so therefore I can continue doing it"
It's like Russian roulette: you can pull the trigger five times and still be breathing, but what are your odds the NEXT time you pull it?
We can never eliminate danger....all we can do is avoid the stuff we KNOW is dangerous.
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Post by WebBoss on Nov 14, 2007 7:54:50 GMT -5
In case anyone was wondering about my choice of descriptive language, apparently this forum will not let you post the word "sh*t"...it kept changing it to "nuts" when I hit the "Post Reply" button, thus requiring me to substitute "poop". Interesting...automated censoring; now I'll have to come up with alternatives like "effuvium" This is the third time I've turned that function off and it mysteriously defaults back on (he ponders) |
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Post by 3105 on Nov 14, 2007 12:01:54 GMT -5
Don't change anything Sean, I just dug out the old Thesarus from my college days! Let's see....."poop", "effuvium", "spoor", "solid waste", "number two", and the ever popular French version: "merde"!
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Post by hp4l on Nov 16, 2007 11:12:16 GMT -5
Here's a video of a truck company almost flipping over as they arrive on the scene of a structure fire. I guess the driver got a little excited when he saw the fire. It's like a saying I heard once (can't remember who said it) trash men don't get excited when they turn the corner and see trash, why do we as firefighters get so excited when we turn the corner and see fire? www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCUTKqXf-wE&feature=relatedHow many people know someone that drives or has driven like this? |
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Post by RngrVnc33 on Nov 16, 2007 12:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by thelurker on Nov 16, 2007 14:28:17 GMT -5
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Post by 3105 on Nov 16, 2007 17:15:09 GMT -5
Awesome...I missed both of those episodes.....
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Post by ENG27SQ on Nov 18, 2007 10:57:01 GMT -5
Another Close Call..regardless if the Tower had the green, I always say approach the intersection with extreme caution. Now the driver of the passenger vehicle was most likely on their cell phone, maybe not. Maybe the tower has the Red and the passenger car has a green. It's quite hard to tell by the quality of the video. Still...this could've been a real mess....if your responding to a working fire...it's still gonna be there when you get there. Arrive Alive, So Everybody Goes Home... www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwAP-vfQyRU |
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Post by ENG27SQ on Nov 18, 2007 10:59:44 GMT -5
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