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Post by wellingcountry on Mar 6, 2008 16:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by voyager9 on Mar 6, 2008 20:49:46 GMT -5
I'd have to try it, but it seem awkward to me.
First thing is that tying the victim's shoulder straps into your waist only gives you an advantage if you can actually stand up (and use your leg muscles).
One advantage is that it doesn't depend on your hand/arm strength as it would if you were holding a strap.
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Post by thelurker on Mar 6, 2008 22:52:04 GMT -5
good concept, I would have to try it out.
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Post by JDub on Mar 6, 2008 23:18:12 GMT -5
Interesting Concept. I would like to try it.....
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Post by papacheese on Mar 7, 2008 5:29:40 GMT -5
Another option to consider when you're running out of time or strength...I agree with voyager, it would work best when you have a secure floor to stand up on and use your leg muscles. It would be interesting to see if the smallest firefighter could really move the biggest one...may have to try this to see.
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Post by voyager9 on Mar 7, 2008 7:44:54 GMT -5
I think this approach could certainly make it easier with a smaller (read: less upper body strength) guy to move a bigger one. In general the legs are the strongest muscles in the body. The arms are typically the weak point when doing a traditional drag. Usually harder to get/maintain a grip then to move him.
One area this could be bad is that it puts all the weight on the rescuers shoulders (through the SCBA straps). As long as the rescuer is vertical that weight is transfered through the core squarely to the legs. As soon as the rescuer has to hunch or duck it moves the weight off-axis and would put a lot of strain on the back.
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Post by Reverend on Mar 7, 2008 10:56:54 GMT -5
We have trained in a similar technique utilizing our Jemtor harnesses. You hook the scba straps with the pompier hook which allows you to drag a FF backwards or you spin yourself aroud a pull the FF kind of like a tug boat pulling a barge. I you see me on scene or at the BCFA I will show you. Or for you personal harness wearers you should attend the CCFA personal harness class. The CHFD field tested this class and it was awsome. One of the best most usable classes I have attended.
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Post by canman on Mar 7, 2008 14:54:04 GMT -5
looks interesting and would have to give it a try!
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Post by FirstDue312 on Mar 8, 2008 3:19:03 GMT -5
Tried the technique tonight up at 311 with a couple of the guys and for us it seemed to work well (even if you have the FRED system on your pak's which doesnt have as big a waistline as normal pak straps). We fed the waist strap to the back of the victim's pak and hooked it in. We then tried using personal rope, putting under the victims arms and bringing it around to the victims back and hooking the rescuer's belt on to that. That way seemed to allow to drag the victim slightly easier up stairs due to the fact that it lifted the victim's bottle off the ground allowing for easier mobility. All in all seems like a great technique that could work very well.
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Post by firstin312 on Mar 9, 2008 13:28:02 GMT -5
Looks like a great idea, BUT they were talking about a basement fire and as we all know you don't want to stand up. Certain areas were the temp. is not that bad and you can stand up yes, great idea and we can always use more ideas for rescuing another Firefighter. Like to try it out, especially up stairs or a smaller Firefighter and see how well it really works, but remember real life conditions don't always work when the S$#@ hits the fan, but it can lead to other ides that may work better
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Post by smiley on Mar 11, 2008 13:06:07 GMT -5
Saw the drag performed and it looks like aa good concept. especially for the smaller guys. they can at least get a couple of the bigger guys
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Post by capt311 on Mar 20, 2008 10:18:32 GMT -5
I found this interesting last year when it was shown to us down at FDIC. We had to bring a firefighter up the stairs using that technique. This is good if two of you are together and one of you go down and you need to get out of a IDLH environment.
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Post by thelurker on Mar 20, 2008 13:13:20 GMT -5
Great article in this month's Fire Engineering about removing a Firefighter who is trapped in the floor...it's called the Rochester Drill...check it out.
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Post by papacheese on Mar 21, 2008 5:04:11 GMT -5
Great article in this month's Fire Engineering about removing a Firefighter who is trapped in the floor...it's called the Rochester Drill...check it out. Ah, Lurker...great minds think alike! I read the article too and plan to introduce it at our next Department drill at a donor home we have available for our use. Skills such as this need to taught and practiced for when the ultimate "Oh Shit" moment happens. |
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Post by thelurker on Mar 21, 2008 10:19:56 GMT -5
When and where...if im off, and it's cool with you guys, I would like to be there
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Post by papacheese on Mar 22, 2008 6:29:08 GMT -5
Figure on trying it Thursday night at a donor house, with the prep happening a day or two beforehand...have to rev up the old chainsaw.
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Post by thelurker on Mar 22, 2008 12:02:59 GMT -5
ahhh...excrement...working tuesday and thursday. Call me if you need help on Wed.
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Post by cmcollier on Mar 26, 2008 9:52:33 GMT -5
Do any of you guys wear a personal harness on your gear? I learned how to package a downed ff using the harness and scba straps which works great. It even works well for going up and down stairs, through a hole in the roof or floor using a rope, or out the window on a rope. I have some pictures, i'll see if i can figgure out how to get them on here.
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Post by thelurker on Mar 26, 2008 15:30:29 GMT -5
I wear a Gemtor on my gear in Beverly, but not my gear in cinnaminson.
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Post by cmcollier on Mar 27, 2008 9:28:12 GMT -5
anyone know how i can post the pictures on here? i cant figgure it out
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