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Post by lilfireguy272 on Dec 27, 2007 18:21:10 GMT -5
i run with 2 stations ones got a minit men and the other got a triple lay i want to kno who likes wat and what towns around us has wat
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hp4l
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Post by hp4l on Dec 27, 2007 20:54:42 GMT -5
Personal preference - triple pack. It takes a little longer to pack it but the result when pulling it off the truck is quicker and easier in my opinion. I just wish guys would learn how to pack it back up a little quicker.
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Post by opsoverkill on Dec 27, 2007 21:03:37 GMT -5
Did the triples but we have alot of trees then tend to grap them and they would come off the truck. Maybe with the nw NFPA standard (securing hose lays) it could revisited but I fine with what we do now.
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Post by wellingcountry on Dec 27, 2007 21:07:32 GMT -5
SV The only issue I have now with our hose lays is the lack of loops for people to grab. That seems to be an ongoing issue when we repack our lays because there is no way for someone to grab a loop and run with it we allways end up with i big freaking mess right next to the truck. Other wise when we do put loops it works great. So I would say min man cuz I have really never used the triple pack.
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Post by WebBoss on Dec 27, 2007 21:17:26 GMT -5
Minute Man load...
Why?
Because it's easy as hell to pack, and it comes off real easy. I've been able to get a line flaked out and in place a lot quick with the minute man load then any other load. It also comes with experiance too.
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RngrVnc33
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Post by RngrVnc33 on Jan 2, 2008 1:24:30 GMT -5
FLAT LOAD! Easiest to pack, Easiest to remove! Grab what you want/need and run (or for safety purposes walk) with it........
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Post by papacheese on Jan 2, 2008 5:41:42 GMT -5
Although a bit finicky to re-pack, I have to say the triple load for it's ease of deployment. Over the eyars we've tried everything from skid loads to regular looped loads and none have been as dependable to stretch. We have cross-lays and no matter what dirction you head off in, it deploys without needing to be sorted out.
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Post by voyager9 on Jan 2, 2008 8:32:30 GMT -5
Honest answer: Depends on what you're gonna do with it:
Triple pack is great if you're pulling the preconnect, flaking and charging it at the front door, then going in. It's also great if you've got a front lawn greater then 67 feet, if you don't have much room between the Engine and the entry point flaking it is messy
Flat Lay or MM are good when you're in tight quarters. Its also a little easier to shoulder load when you're going to extend it dry (for perhaps a deep seated 2nd floor advance).
We did have the flat lay on our engines for a long time and went to triple a couple years ago. This works well for most of our locals as we have decent setbacks.
Two issues with the triple I've seen are:
1) that it takes longer and more room to repack. This is more of an issue during drills when you want to get a lot of evolutions in. During a real incident we usually have plenty of time to repack.
2) people who pull the triple thinking its a MM/Flat. This kind of goes along with the lack of loops comment above. Need to have the layers connected (usually have the 2nd layer through the bale of the noz). If you just grab the top layer of a triple its gonna be a MESS.
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gotwork
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Post by gotwork on Jan 2, 2008 10:51:08 GMT -5
We have recently switched to the MM on the Squad and I have to say it is a lot easier to repack and deploy. We respond to a mixed local (first alarm to 50) so having the option of short flake out areas or long stretches to deep seats is an advantage for us. I was very good at repacking the triple load, we still use it on our Engine because of the crappy speed lays. It is very effective, but if I have to choose I will take the MM.
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Post by rp42 on Jan 2, 2008 15:23:01 GMT -5
I like the triple pack. Its the easiest load to deploy that I have used. It also takes one person to deploy and flake it out, so if you don't have 6 guys on the engine it makes everything go a little smoother and easier.
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Post by Jack on Jan 2, 2008 22:45:16 GMT -5
It seems one or two people have a concern with how much space you need to deploy the tri-fold (triple pack). Try using two members to stretch the line. Take the nozzle in one direction and the loop in the other. You can deploy the line at any angle up to almost 180 degrees to the engine. It allows you to deploy the tri-fold in tight spaces such as an alley, the parking lot of a condo complex, etc. As soon as the load hits the ground, it can be charged. The chauffeur can keep an eye of the hose line to make sure it deploys smoothly. My company has used it in training in the field. It works!
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Post by papacheese on Jan 3, 2008 6:02:57 GMT -5
It seems one or two people have a concern with how much space you need to deploy the tri-fold (triple pack). Try using two members to stretch the line. Take the nozzle in one direction and the loop in the other. You can deploy the line at any angle up to almost 180 degrees to the engine. It allows you to deploy the tri-fold in tight spaces such as an alley, the parking lot of a condo complex, etc. As soon as the load hits the ground, it can be charged. The chauffeur can keep an eye of the hose line to make sure it deploys smoothly. My company has used it in training in the field. It works! I agree...and have seen the triple pulled by one person in this manner without a hitch....by me, as a matter of fact. Seems to me that no matter which method is used, the key to successful stretching is patience...a virtue which is usually in very short supply whenever there's smoke and flames visible. If you take your time and remember your cues (like feeling the load "tug" when you reach the end of the triple, then slip the balance of the hose off your shoulder), it should deploy nicely. It's only when we're in a rush that problems develop. I tell my guys to walk, not run towards the fire. |
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Post by WebBoss on Jan 3, 2008 21:37:50 GMT -5
Several years ago, I had a problem with the triple load, which admittedly was due on part to complacency. I was the nozzleman on an engine and pulled up to a 3 story, middle of the row brick rowhouse. I pulled the 200' 1 3/4" to head up to a fire in a 2nd floor kitchen. My back-up man apparently was throwing a ladder or doing something other then flaking the line out because by the time I got up the 2nd floor stairs, my pump operator charged the line, and because it was not properly flaked first, the triple fold tried to flake itself out about 10 feet behind me on the 3 foot wide stair well. For obvious reasons, the fire was getting the upper hand on me as it took a an extra minute or two to pull the hose apart and work the kinks out. Fortuantely, the plaster-lath fire room held tight enough to only allow minimal fire extention and eventually the fire was taken care of by us. (Still prior to arrival of any other company)
Ever since then, I've become very cognizant<sp?> about flaking lines out, and it's been my experiance that by the nature of the Minuteman Load, you have to flake the line out, or you're not going to have the nozzle to do anything with. It's a little bit of a security measure.
If you have mostly large setbacks in your area, the Triple Load will work with minimal problems. However running in diverse areas, or being one of the companies that don't advance charged handlines up stairwells and all that untill you find the seat of the fire, the Minuteman may be the way to go.
Of course, it's all about preferences and training. I rather go with one of these loads then a Flat-Pack "Spigehetti Load."
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