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Post by thelurker on Oct 19, 2008 8:50:05 GMT -5
I listened to it from jump and it sounded like a hell of a job was done by all units involved. Anyone want to share any details? I thought 3021's officer sounded extremely calm for having victims trapped and that short amount of time from the station to the scene to think about his game plan.
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Post by canman on Oct 20, 2008 14:34:16 GMT -5
i was there. not to bash any one person there, but i thought that for a fire with vics trapped to much standing around going on. could they have made a difference in saving this guys life? i don't think so, but for the amount of man power on location and watching the crews mark off the area where the fire started versus continuing an agressive search. the crews continued to put an aggressive attcak on the fire from the outside. when we dont have alot of fires we tend to forget the basics i believe. like i said i am not bashing any one person at that scene.
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Post by WebBoss on Oct 21, 2008 10:56:22 GMT -5
Like i said i am not bashing any one person at that scene. AMEN! Computers, Command Vests, and Yard Breathing does not put out fires. Put that shit aside and start training like you want to work! I am really beginning to think that some fire companies are turning into buffing associations with the amount of standing around and watching that goes on. What happened to grabbing your balls and getting in there and doing a good agreesive job!!!!?!?!?!?!!?!? Staring at the fire does not put it out. Staring at the fire does not get the victim out. |
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Post by bgares on Oct 21, 2008 17:48:05 GMT -5
OK, here I am...Dean, you asked for some details...here they are.
Dispatched to Beverly Rd at Illinois for the dwelling. There is 1 house between 302 and the fire building. Upon arrival, the house couldn't even be seen due to the amount of smoke pushing out of every possible place. I know I let myself go on the radio a little, but if anyone else was in that situation (which I will explain) you would have done the same thing. 3021, the original game plan was to go in on the search. After further investigation, there appeared to be a very minimal fire directly to the left of the front door. Plan change, go in quick knock, go and search. In the process of carrying this out, upon entering the dwelling, the amount of trash and junk within the house severly restricted movement and access throughout the dwelling. Crews got a quick knock on the bulk of the fire, then started the search. We met up with another crew, which entered through the C side and they cleared the back of the first floor. Everything else that went on is pretty well known, however any questions feel free to ask.
Now, the situation I was in: Those that know me, know I have lived in the 302 local my entire life. Arriving as the first due officer, when seeing the house, I knew the gentleman left for work at 6 Am and was home by 3 Pm everyday. He never left the house, except for work. I knew the gentleman personally since my childhood. That puts you in a whole new mind set.
Now any further questions as stated feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.
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Post by thelurker on Oct 21, 2008 18:49:35 GMT -5
I thought you sounded good on the radio Brett. A little short on size up, but you didn't let on if you were panicking. Nice and smooth for that close of a run. I also heard that it was conditions that are known as "Collyer's Mansion." Even the FDNY will go defensive on those conditions, so don't worry about what Sean says, he is busy "Doin it his way" www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/nyregion/05hoard.html |
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Post by bgares on Oct 21, 2008 21:11:37 GMT -5
Dean you are correct about the Collyer's Mansion type conditions. As a matter of fact, one of the guys on the 2nd or 3rd in crews ended up crawling into a refrigerator box (after words it was noted the fridge looked like it was from the '80's). I wouldn't quite say we were defensive. Initially, there was an aggressive interior attack, followed by an aggressive search. Upon the arrival of the RIT team...all visible fire had been knocked, and we were just than starting to chase the fire in the walls. For those that don't know, the original house was a balloon frame. Over the years, there has been about 4 additions to this home and they have all been tied in in different ways, leaving some of the balloon frame still intact, some of the walls were actually almost a 'partial' balloon frame, where 5 or 6 feet of the wall had the wide open channel and 5 or 6 were studded out like new construction.
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Post by WebBoss on Oct 22, 2008 23:22:02 GMT -5
Why's it gotta be a stab???
I never took a stab at any one person... but I'll share some of my insights.
I wasn't there - heard it went well all things considering - saw the video. Didn't even know about it until the ambo was sent to cover 909.
My comments were directed to the jurisdiction in general, and not in bad taste, but as I'm sure Bret can attest to, it's always been a problem there.
From everything I have seen and heard I think Bret and the initial 302 crews did a fantastic job. Bret is very level headed (well, when he has to be, lol) and does a real good job at what he does. The younger generation at 302 is an aggresive bunch. What I was dissapointed in was the amount of lawn ornaments I saw while watching the video... and that is what aggrivated me. HOWEVER... they were from all over... not any one place or another.
Bret... GOOD JOB to you and your crews at the Goose. More and more it sounds like the Summer of '06 all over again. Keep up the good work down there and keep doing what's best for the Goose first.
My apologies if my original comments seemed like a stab... was not intended to come off that way.
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Post by thelurker on Oct 23, 2008 15:31:13 GMT -5
Why's it gotta be a stab??? \ What I was dissapointed in was the amount of lawn ornaments I saw while watching the video... and that is what aggrivated me. HOWEVER... they were from all over... not any one place or another. My apologies if my original comments seemed like a stab... was not intended to come off that way. It did come off that way, so I was just backing up Brett. Also, when your initial box consists of like 9 stations and then the all hands brings like another 3 or 4, you have no choice but to have lawn ornaments. Just managing that much manpower can be challenging. Their 1st alarm worth of manpower is as many guys as 2 or 3 alarms in some other towns. You can't say if it was really rocking, or stuff went south quick, you wouldn't have been happy to have all those people there. |
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