BIGDOG
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Post by BIGDOG on Mar 1, 2008 12:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by thelurker on Mar 1, 2008 23:37:38 GMT -5
thats freakin awesome, but would be better with the FDNY style rescue decender..and thanks for the new website chief...
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Post by papacheese on Mar 3, 2008 11:29:27 GMT -5
We currently have the FFRED (Fire Firefighter Rescue Escape Device) on our SCBA and the reaction has been less than enthusiastic for several reasons:
1) The device replaces the SCBA belt, which in effect brings warranty and liability issues to the forefront. Most SCBA harnesses and frames were not specifically designed for an application sucha s this, meaning the manufacturer's are less than enthused.
2) Training becomes a pain in the sense that the ropes have a useful shelf life; so many deployments and you have to throw it away. Also, training involves use of a belay system for those "just in case" moments.
3) Repacking, particularly after training, can be a pain...not impossible, mind you, just a pain.
4) the latching mechanism is cumbersome.
The newly issued FDNY system consists of a rated rope and hook assembly that seems simplier and easier to deploy, provided of course that the user is familiar with it.
Just food for thought....
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Reverend
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Post by Reverend on Mar 3, 2008 20:40:43 GMT -5
The CHFD has a variation of the FDNY system in development.
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Post by thelurker on Mar 4, 2008 9:21:28 GMT -5
C'mon ray, more info, don't tease us
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Reverend
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Post by Reverend on Mar 4, 2008 15:01:55 GMT -5
When its out, Ill say more but the crew working on it is not completed yet and I have only seen elements, not the whole package. These guys are being very precise and critical with the system because it is that important.
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smiley
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Post by smiley on Mar 4, 2008 23:38:41 GMT -5
Posted by papacheese on Yesterday at 11:29am
We currently have the FFRED (Fire Firefighter Rescue Escape Device) on our SCBA and the reaction has been less than enthusiastic for several reasons:
1) The device replaces the SCBA belt, which in effect brings warranty and liability issues to the forefront. Most SCBA harnesses and frames were not specifically designed for an application sucha s this, meaning the manufacturer's are less than enthused.
2) Training becomes a pain in the sense that the ropes have a useful shelf life; so many deployments and you have to throw it away. Also, training involves use of a belay system for those "just in case" moments.
3) Repacking, particularly after training, can be a pain...not impossible, mind you, just a pain.
4) the latching mechanism is cumbersome.
The newly issued FDNY system consists of a rated rope and hook assembly that seems simplier and easier to deploy, provided of course that the user is familiar with it.
Just food for thought.... |
Also some people in our department dont like them cause when you put on the pack(for some of the skinny people) it takes a few good strong tugs to get it nice and fit on you, |
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Post by thecutman on May 16, 2008 17:52:40 GMT -5
Papa,
Did you go with this system for cost? We used the FREDD system as well in the TTT class I attended this past week and found that they are all very nice.
We trained on the CMC Ecsape Artist and the FIRE AL which were both very easy to operate. I like the FIRE AL better because the webbing takes up less room and is lighter to carry than the rope used with the Escape Artist.
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Post by papacheese on Jun 3, 2008 15:32:10 GMT -5
Actually, cost wasn't the chief determining factor, only that we provided SOMETHING in the event of an "oh-shit!" moment. All things being equal, it brought a degree of consistency to the situation, since only some of the FF's carried rope while others didn't. At least this way, if they had an SCBA on, then they had an alternative to jumping.
Just an instructional thought: I typically teach that whether you remember how to rig or not, the most important thing to do is get the #$%^&@# out the window....you can always hang there awhile until the others get a ladder to you.
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