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Post by 3105 on Dec 16, 2007 14:20:31 GMT -5
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JDub
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Post by JDub on Dec 16, 2007 15:00:39 GMT -5
3105 the use of multiple pictures really helped me come to my decision.
Black smoke pushing like that makes me uneasy. 2 1/2 through the top window darken the thing down. Crews inside with two 1 3/4 and hooks to pull the ceiling and check for extension to hit hot spots. Hopefully a 2 1/2 will darken it down if not there is always a deck gun.
Now looking at the way they made entry that is definitely a RIT issue. I am asking for an opinion on this....would you want to pull that fence down on the balcony so it is easier for the RIT team to get up there with their equipment?
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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 16, 2007 19:37:34 GMT -5
Coming from a rookie here...
Deck gun that 2nd floor.Get in with 2 - 1 3/4s and get it. Open the ceiling while working at that. RIT will definitely need to be at the ready for this job (duh).
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Post by 1900 on Dec 16, 2007 19:51:29 GMT -5
Deck gun or Ladder pipe...once you got the bulk knocked down re-evaluate, if its safe to..then send'em in with a couple 1 3/4" to open up and finish up.
The 3rd pic looks like the fire really took hold of the roof on the B side, im sure you'll have quite a bit of drop down fire on the floors below.
As for the way they made entry...good job...why stretch all that line when you can just throw a ladder a get to the fire...
As for the taking the railing on the balconey...Id say no leave it, if things turned bad and guys were backing out or getting to the ladder in a hurry and didnt know the railing was taken...off they go possibly...
The B Exposure looks like that may become a concern...looks like a wind drive fire.
RIT should be at the ready on every job!
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Post by JDub on Dec 16, 2007 22:56:23 GMT -5
Coming from a rookie here... Deck gun that 2nd floor.Get in with 2 - 1 3/4s and get it. Open the ceiling while working at that. RIT will definitely need to be at the ready for this job (duh). RIT as 1900 is for every job. I hope you didn't think I was asking if RIT should come because thats not what I said. That balcony looks as if it could be an issue. |
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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 16, 2007 23:03:35 GMT -5
Coming from a rookie here... Deck gun that 2nd floor.Get in with 2 - 1 3/4s and get it. Open the ceiling while working at that. RIT will definitely need to be at the ready for this job (duh). RIT as 1900 is for every job. I hope you didn't think I was asking if RIT should come because thats not what I said. That balcony looks as if it could be an issue. No no. I was also stating RIT should already be there and at the ready, lol. |
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Post by 1900 on Dec 16, 2007 23:20:29 GMT -5
JDub, no I was referring to what 292 wrote "RIT will definitely need to be at the ready for this job (duh)."
As for the balconey like I said my only concern would be if you removed it and visiblity became an issue and crews thought the balconey was there and wasnt...they may fall.
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Post by WebBoss on Dec 18, 2007 7:33:35 GMT -5
I agree with Chad on this one. Again, and I always feel like I'm repeating myself, knock it hard and fast and get your truck guys up there with the handlines to pull the ceilings and be prepared to get your asses handed to you. Being how old that building looks, it's probably going to be plaster-lath interior, so it's going to hold some serious heat, as well as being a royal pain in the rear quarter to pull.
At least it's self venting, that's a positive. I would also get another ladder up to the other side of that balcony.
That was real creative using the ladder to get the line up to the front door on division 2. I wonder if that was the first line, or a slight after thought. It's amazing how well you can adapt to a situation with a little bit of size-up.
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Post by 3105 on Dec 18, 2007 11:23:43 GMT -5
I agree with Chad on this one. Again, and I always feel like I'm repeating myself, knock it hard and fast and get your truck guys up there with the handlines to pull the ceilings and be prepared to get your asses handed to you. Being how old that building looks, it's probably going to be plaster-lath interior, so it's going to hold some serious heat, as well as being a royal pain in the rear quarter to pull. At least it's self venting, that's a positive. I would also get another ladder up to the other side of that balcony. That was real creative using the ladder to get the line up to the front door on division 2. I wonder if that was the first line, or a slight after thought. It's amazing how well you can adapt to a situation with a little bit of size-up. I understand your concern about repeating yourself, but it's essential that you lay things out as you see them...there WILL be slight variations depending on circumstances. |
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Post by pcs200 on Dec 18, 2007 19:34:22 GMT -5
the use of a deckgun or a ladder pipe to start into div3. have ascond cre for exposer protection on Bside, dont for get type of constrution, after the knock and overhaul on div3,send acrew at the same time check in the basement for orgin. send at least two with a 1 3/4 to chec it out?
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Post by JDub on Dec 18, 2007 19:37:12 GMT -5
the use of a deckgun or a ladder pipe to start into div3. have ascond cre for exposer protection on Bside, dont for get type of constrution, after the knock and overhaul on div3,send acrew at the same time check in the basement for orgin. send at least two with a 1 3/4 to chec it out? I am sorry but can you type some stutters into that....I can't understand what your saying....lol But in all seriousness (HA!) I agree with that... |
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Post by pcs200 on Dec 18, 2007 20:42:29 GMT -5
ttthats ooookkkk ? jjdduubb
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Post by fiercefighter on Jan 1, 2008 20:36:19 GMT -5
Surround and drown and protect other structures thick black smoke means a back draft is happening. you always have to remember your safety and other firefighters safety first.
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Post by firstin312 on Jan 4, 2008 20:42:05 GMT -5
Chief I agree with a deck gun to knock down the fire to give you some advantage. Also the railing should be removed to make quicker access or exit. I would like to see a 2 1/2 up there with a 1 3/4 also any exposures are important as well. Of course watching out for that roof it looks like it may have collapsed or be on it's way. I can't say I agree that a back draft is about to happen reading the smoke to me, shows it has a hold of the house but it looks as if it has enough oxygen to continue burning
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