ENG27SQ
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Post by ENG27SQ on Oct 15, 2007 14:06:06 GMT -5
Well let's get some decent and well opinionated discussion going here.
The radio policy has been in effect for a good solid month or two.
Whats everyones take on it? Anything you dislike or like?
I personally like the new dispatching, it's taking less time to dispatch. It's also nice for the units signing on as their role, so CMD knows what he/shes got on the road.
It'd be really nice for the dispatch to include " Time out 1243". For those of us getting our car from work and seeing that little red light, did the call JUST get hit out?
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Post by thelurker on Oct 15, 2007 15:06:30 GMT -5
I dislike the new dispatching, but it does seem much quicker and more efficient. I just would like the stations said a 2nd time b/c by the time the house bells stop ringing, I missed who else is on the call with us, and then I have to try to listen to my repeater over the noise of the truck while enroute.
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Post by 3105 on Oct 15, 2007 16:39:36 GMT -5
It took some getting used to, but just as I thought, the new policy will eventually be followed by everyone after a certain of length of time has gone by. I agree with Lurker, I sometimes wish they'd repeat the stations again, but truth be told, it doesn't matter when I think about it....
As far as "Engine", "Ladder", "Rescue", goes, I think it's a bit over the top but completely understand the reason for it..as long as the rest of the state follows and makes it truly a standard.
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Post by radioboy on Oct 15, 2007 22:51:43 GMT -5
It has taken some getting used to, but overall I would have to say I don't like it. I have worked around jet engines to long to catch everything as it is now on F1, not that I got it all the way it used to be. As far as the procedures on the digital side, I think it's redundant to keep saying the type of apparatus you are while on a call. I thought that was the whole purpose of the numbering system here. I don't see a problem saying it when you check "in route", but other than that you are taking the time your saving on F1 and adding it to the response channels, if you say it every time. I think it is more important to save time on the digital side than on F1. Unfortunately with all the departments that operate on any given response channel there really isn't any other way to do it.
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Post by opsoverkill on Oct 17, 2007 10:30:25 GMT -5
I understand the changes but they need to be tweaked a little. Like with the dispatch repeating the station involved the second time. No disrespect to the 18 boys but it was very long when the old station 181,183,184,185,191,188,189,199 would be dispatched for a job. I always pushed the TFXX to be said and it would the responsibility of the Chiefs in that TF to inform the station involved what responds but others did not like it. Just as I believe it is today TF and the grid number is fine but if a company not in that town that unit is announced such as TF4311 Tender 172, Tender 171 ABC ST. a DWELLING TF4311 should be the only thing announced Those other companies pagers went off and they should know thru Preplanning what truck goes. However, when it is one station or two being dispatched it does not hurt to repeat the Station assigned. I find myself hitting the repeat button more at work to see what side of town is going and I hope that the recording is clear enough to understand. In addition, the other thing that I am not sold on is a Quint changing it designee depending on how it is being used. A quint is a quint and yes, it is used differently on different jobs. That is a Preplanning issue and it should only sign on as a quint. Preplanning is where it should be broken done further and that info be disseminated down thru the ranks
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Post by laddertruckgoes on Oct 17, 2007 14:23:59 GMT -5
The radio procedure has taken quite a bit of time to get used to for sure. I still say we would be better off announcing the address first as that is the most paramount part of the dispatch. However, in our democratic world, I lost the vote for that.
As far as the Quint... I understand and support both theories on how to designate them. On the dispatcher side, if a 17 grid calls for "Quint 431" but it's unavailable for whatever reason, then what does it get replaced with? Now if it calls for Ladder 431, then it's understood what they're looking for; same goes for Engine. Now if they want to create the official term "Quint" then that's what the unit goes on air as, but it still should be dispatched by function. Does that make scense?
Needing to use the unit prefix is a NIMS thing. We don't have to like, but we have to use it. I say we drop the extra numbers on the specialty units and call them all by station number. IE: Squrt 101, Tower 101, Rescue 101, Engine 1011, Engine 1012 and so on and so on. (sorry to make you the examples 101 guys!)
BTW... sounded like a good job on that 206&Flyatt Rd wreck.
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Post by 3105 on Oct 17, 2007 15:56:07 GMT -5
As far as the Quint... I understand and support both theories on how to designate them. On the dispatcher side, if a 17 grid calls for "Quint 431" but it's unavailable for whatever reason, then what does it get replaced with? Now if it calls for Ladder 431, then it's understood what they're looking for; same goes for Engine. Now if they want to create the official term "Quint" then that's what the unit goes on air as, but it still should be dispatched by function. Does that make scense?
In this day and age of light, medium, heavy, and engine-rescues that could also be squirts, Tele-Squrts, cascades, quints and squads, to me it makes perfect sense to identify yourself by the role that both your crew and apparatus are being dispatched for. I used the example in TWD: When dispatched to an MVA, it's Rescue 3119; when dispatched to provide breathing air, its Cascade 3119. If 1911 is being dispatched to an alarm system, it's Engine 1911; if to a MVA, it's Rescue 1911...
I understand that Mount Laurel is now dispatching the local's quint as the engine and the other one naturally as a quint...makes absolute sense to me and also a perfect example of this particular model's versatility.
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Post by opsoverkill on Oct 18, 2007 8:21:45 GMT -5
I understand that thinking and it makes sense. I guess I like the KISS method a little to much. Where the way you explained it. The kiss method could make things more confusing.
As for the Rescue. SUV vs Tri axle dump truck. Just feel sorry for the kids. Does not look good for the MOM. As for the Operation. Due to condition of Pt. nothing fancy move enough to get her out Drivers door Cut and Pryed Lower A post cut and pryed and a slight Dash lift.
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Post by hp4l on Oct 18, 2007 17:43:41 GMT -5
In the land of EMS, I hate the new dispatches when we go on a run with the medics. They all have the same tone, but if you miss it at first, you don't know if its M32 or M35 or another one even. Same goes for districts that use the same tone for their stations.
As for the truck designations, we aren't gonna change it. We can't even get the numbering part correct throughout the county. Good luck getting the wording right. Props to the guys and girls doing it right instead of making it a joke though.
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Post by shader101 on Oct 19, 2007 8:32:20 GMT -5
since its a digital world now our tone- voice page system is outdated a digital read out paging system would seem the way to go must things could be preprogramed fill in the address and send it no voice deflections bad receptions ect, some smart radio/computer tech might even come up with a nice interface screen , hang it on the wall in the fh to post the last call even have nice large fonts for the 3105 age bracket guys like ME
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Post by laddertruckgoes on Oct 22, 2007 11:29:49 GMT -5
Shader... Our county can't get Rip & Run and FD MDT's to work reliably yet... I really wouldn't trust anything computer driven just yet. Maybe in the near future, but the computer system at central just isn't up for it quite yet.
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Post by thelurker on Oct 22, 2007 17:40:26 GMT -5
What about alpha paging as opposed to voice paging??
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Post by Kramer on Oct 25, 2007 21:52:31 GMT -5
there was just a time given at the end of a dispatch...is this going to be a part of the new policy now???
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Post by RngrVnc33 on Oct 29, 2007 23:52:54 GMT -5
Negative on the time, that was just me being bored!
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ENG27SQ
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Post by ENG27SQ on Oct 30, 2007 6:56:30 GMT -5
Negative on the time, that was just me being bored! Damn, had my hopes up! haha |
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Post by Kramer on Nov 16, 2007 8:22:36 GMT -5
so it seems like most of us are using it and using it right now...so what does everyone think?
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Post by thelurker on Nov 18, 2007 22:55:24 GMT -5
none of you central people ever answered me...What about alpha paging, like on a beeper or straight to cell phones....MontCo, PA does that with the beepers and voice paging and it seems to work well. Is this something that will be happening eventually??
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Post by fire211rescue on Nov 23, 2007 16:23:24 GMT -5
Times would be nice at the end of the dispatch.
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Post by voyager9 on Nov 28, 2007 10:56:26 GMT -5
What about alpha paging, like on a beeper or straight to cell phones.... See previous response about Central and Technology: I like the idea of Alpha paging but it just adds one more piece of technology that can break. Dispatch is probably _THE_ most critical piece of the chain.. no-page, no-go.. If we could get R&R or MDT's working reliably then the actual page becomes less important. Dispatch could really just be "BEEP! Go look at the Truck!". |
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Post by bricker252 on Nov 28, 2007 13:29:03 GMT -5
I like how they are dispatching now. Not so sure how I feel about how trucks sign on with there pretext of what type of apparatus it is. I think they should sign on with what job they will be doing for the call, like if you get called in for R.I.T. then I think they should sign on as R.I.T. XXXX
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