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Post by 3105 on Dec 4, 2007 5:03:21 GMT -5
 Another great shot from Jim...all sorts of things to ponder here and again, a very common enough occupancy in many of our locals. |
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Post by voyager9 on Dec 4, 2007 10:49:05 GMT -5
30 second version (since I'm in a meeting):
I'd pull a second alarm, get crews into the Exposures. It looks like its already extending to D-exposure.
I assume we're looking at the below grade C-side of the building and that the front door is on division A. If so then while crews are pulling a line to enter D1, I'd hit the origin building with the deck gun as well as direct some of the incoming units to the A-side for easier entry.
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Post by Kramer on Dec 4, 2007 11:04:18 GMT -5
being as i know minimal about building construction, would the differences in roof height act as fire walls? i know a "true" fire wall extends past the roof line, but these go high-low-high so i'm not sure...
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Post by hp4l on Dec 4, 2007 11:24:31 GMT -5
It looks like this might be an end of the row unit. I'd hit it with a deck gun and darken it down. Then try to go in and get it. Get a crew into the B exposure to check for extension. Crew to the roof as well. We don't want this moving on us. Even if it is an end of the row, I'd still get a crew to check the D exposure.
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Post by FirstDue312 on Dec 4, 2007 12:33:09 GMT -5
Judging as if this was Moorestown's local, pull the 2nd Alarm for manpower considering the time of day. Looks like this thing started on D2 and is autoexposing D3 and the roof after venting itself or from an open sliding glass door. I'd have the first arriving engine pull up and hit it with the deck gun, both inside the fire room and outside to try and stop the exposures and buy ourselves some time in case there arent firewalls (though there SHOULD be considering it appears to be newer construction). After we dampen it down I'd go in with the 2 1/2 because the fire looks like she has a good hold of D2 judging by the color of the smoke and the volume of the fire pushing out of the sliding glass doors and just knock her hard. Have next engine crew stretch back up line and get the first due Truck to open up at that roof for inspection cuts, and start pulling ceiling in D3 and the conjoining exposures
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Post by JDub on Dec 4, 2007 16:08:57 GMT -5
Darken it down and send a crew into the next unit over to check for extension and a crew in to hit the hotspots.
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Post by 3105 on Dec 5, 2007 6:07:36 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts:
1) I agree with Jim: it appears to be an end unit, which allows us a bit more leeway in choosing a strategy. A middle of the row unit automatically divides whatever forces we have into two distinct operating groups who could encounter entirely different scenarios, depending on what the fire's doing.
2) Wind direction plays a key factor: is it going to help drive the fire into the adjacent exposure at a faster pace?
3) The smoke plume tells me direct flame contact (duh!) with little pre-heating of adjacent compartments...my impression is this started on the deck and is working it's way upwards. As Jon pointed out, it appears to have broken the windows and is now threatening to extend deeply into the structure itself.
4) The fire wall comments were good, but my advice is this: assume it doesn't have fire walls worth a damn. Unless I see three to four feet sticking up over the top of the roof line, I'm skeptical that anything substantial is there.
All of us are used to looking at something, assessing it, then making a decision...the key is to remain intellectually flexible and objective enough to change your mind IF CONDITIONS DICTATE. This is where I've seen some officers let their egos overide their brains....having decidied to go get it, they then stubbornly refuse to change their minds when things turn into a poop sandwich.
Always remain skeptical...NOTHING is exactly as we think it is...
OK, after boring everyone to tears, I'd call [glow=red,2,300]Offensive[/glow]...the usual array of groups and tasks through the front door to hopefully push this puppy back outside. The newer type construction makes me stay skeptical...are there any hidden-from-view weak points that will affect things?
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Post by bricker252 on Dec 5, 2007 13:32:17 GMT -5
3105 beat me to it.
It looks it is burning mainly on the outside. I was going to say put 2 1 3/4" in the front door and try to push it out. looking at the new construction I wouldn't want anyone on that roof but if we can get a tower in there to open a vent hole if there is interior fire.
I would have the deck gun going on the exposure to keep it form spreading over.
If the interior attack crews find heavy fire Division 2 I would pull back and go defensive with an exterior 2 1/2 and possibly a trench cut in the roof .
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Post by voyager9 on Dec 5, 2007 14:04:15 GMT -5
OK, after boring everyone to tears, I'd call [glow=red,2,300]Offensive[/glow]...the usual array of groups and tasks through the front door to hopefully push this puppy back outside. The newer type construction makes me stay skeptical...are there any hidden-from-view weak points that will affect things? I'm having a hard time lining up the houses and porches in this picture. Doesn't it look like the fire has already auto extended into the soffet of the D-exposure? |
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Post by 3105 on Dec 5, 2007 15:40:26 GMT -5
OK, after boring everyone to tears, I'd call [glow=red,2,300]Offensive[/glow]...the usual array of groups and tasks through the front door to hopefully push this puppy back outside. The newer type construction makes me stay skeptical...are there any hidden-from-view weak points that will affect things? I'm having a hard time lining up the houses and porches in this picture. Doesn't it look like the fire has already auto extended into the soffet of the D-exposure? You might indeed be right...it's so hard to see from this vantage point (hopefully this thread reinforces the need to continually 360 the place). |
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