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Post by 3105 on Nov 30, 2007 6:10:23 GMT -5
 O,T, or D? |
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Post by voyager9 on Nov 30, 2007 8:05:39 GMT -5
I'd say O. Get a line on it, and get it opened up.
Also, what's with all the smoke coming out between Division 1 and 2? Or is that just from the door?
I'd also get crews next door. Is that smoke coming from D-exposure eves, or from the fire building. Hard for me to tell from the picture.
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Post by 3105 on Nov 30, 2007 9:50:01 GMT -5
What caught my eye (naturally) was the smoke...not only between divisions (I personally think it's just running along that extended section) but the stuff oozing out of the Division 2D window....
Based on the smoke read, this fire is definitely NOT OUT and still a danger to crews. The smoke issuing from that window has a thick, soft, velvet consistency and turbulence which indicates it's heat-driven....in my estimation, the fire is probably in the next compartment (room) towards the back of the home...what you're seeing here is how it looks after traveling a little distance and cooling off. Notice the stuff closest to the window frame is darker...more fuel laden. Left untreated and unaddressed, this room is building towards flashover stage.
To me, this is a vitally important piece of information that directly affects the tactical situation. Just because there appears to be good ventilation doesn't mean there is....the velocity of the smoke indicates pressure, which in turn indicates there's still a closed compartment somewhere that's building up heat, smoke, and fuel. The crews may be letting down their guard because they think it's a knock, but in my estimation, the issue is still very much in doubt until they locate that compartment.
The smoke filling the entire front door opening may indicate that the fire was either started in Division 1 or there's drop-down.
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Post by JDub on Nov 30, 2007 11:19:31 GMT -5
Put the PPV fan back on the truck.
I want to say an aggressive transitional. Lob a 2/12 through the window see what happens. If it looks like you darken it down according to the smoke send a crew up there and kick the crap out of the fire while you a truck company open the house up. If it doesn't darken it down that way. Your going to have to get a crew as close as you can to hit the fire.
*I am not the best smoke reader so I couldn't even guess the timeline for a flashover*
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Post by WebBoss on Nov 30, 2007 17:09:34 GMT -5
Get in there and get it!
Open up the ceilings. Get a line in that cockloft. Get a line next door. This is one of those ones that's going to be more truck work trying to open up and find the fire then anything. A TIC fan's dream come true.
PS - Needs more ground ladders
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Post by 3105 on Dec 1, 2007 6:01:31 GMT -5
Put the PPV fan back on the truck.*I am not the best smoke reader so I couldn't even guess the timeline for a flashover* The timeline isn't as important as the recognition factor...knowing that a situation is brewing allows you to make necessary adjustments before a "hostile fire event" occurs. The smoke in the picture isn't quite "ripe" enough yet, but it's definitely heading in that direction. If we had the luxury of standing there for a few minutes and letting things go down, I have little doubt that the smoke would change and become thicker, darker, and more turbulent...the more classic and recognizable indicators. The window smoke tells me we have X amount of time to open this thing up before a flashover occurs....while it MAY happen in a closed room in the back of the house and not directly affect any of the troops, none of us can accurately predict when it will happen and more importantly where the troops will be at the moment it happens.....so.... |
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