Make The Call #12

[3105]

Josh sent this one along (you guys are making my job easy...).

I see this as a dreaded "tweener"...very Transitional in nature, depending on circumstances. Thoughts?

[voyager9]

Get a 360.. is it just the roof or is the whole Division C/D gone?
I'm going to say Transitional-->Defensive. Set up aerials and knock the piss out of it, then go in and hit the hotspots.
If the 360 showed it is just the roof I may want to get a crew to search the bedrooms/Div2. First crew doing a search, 2nd crew pulling a protective line to protect stairs. Both evac when master streams have been set up or search is complete.

[JDub]

360


I say transitional. I do not see fire in the windows which leads me to believe that it is in the attic.

Based on what you find out from doing your 360 this attack could be the wrong attack and might need to be changed, but based on the picture use a deck gun in conjunction with a 2 1/2 and once knocked down send crews in and then get a roof crew up there/.

[WebBoss]

It has a hold on the attic space. From the looks of the windows, it appears to be a finished top floor so it could very possibly be a bedroom fire that broke through. My other thought is that since there is no visable chimney, that it could be a chimney fire that extended into the roof area and it's basically just burning the roof off. There isn't much smoke from the Division 2 windows just yet. Is that because there isn't much smoke to begin with? Is it because they're thermopane windows and they have not given way yet? It's hard to tell with this dark vantage point.

Based on what can be seen from the pictures, I would work this under the transitional thoery, only if I were able to ensure a constant water supply. I'm worried this may be a remote location without much city water. I know that once the crews start getting the fire, it's going to take a good deal of water to knock it down. If any interior stance is going to be made, it needs to be quick and aggressive. Try knocking it with a big line from the top of the stairway, see what progress can be made from there.

Why would I attempt interior? There's no civilians standing around outside. The house is dark, apparently sealed up, and it's night time. There could very possibly be people inside and I want crews working the fire while a quick primary search takes place. Once that search is done, reevaluate. If no real knock was made on the fire, pull out the crews, knock it hard with master streams, mop it up, and go home.

Weather is also a factor here. Extra manpower will be needed to rotate crews and help pick up frozen lines and what not.

[3105]

I'm like the rest of you: Transitional pending further info. GREAT comments about lack of smoke in Division 2...maybe an attack line (2 1/2) and back-up line to tip-toe carefully up the stairway and take a quick sneaky-peeky at Division 2 conditions. If it's relatively clear, how about a quick hooking of the Division 2 ceiling just above the stairway so we can shove some major gallonage into that rocking area?

Some people tend to think of Transitional as "Nope, not going in there...", but nothing could be further from the truth. Transitional means "We're going to check first, then if good, enter cautiously with every available antenna up and rotating just in case we missed something or something bad is about to happen". If I'm the officer in that kind of situation (as I described), I would carefully position my troops and handlines for a quick "exit -stage right" if I don't like what I see.

In contrast, Offensive means we're fairly confident it's a room and contents with little to no extension or a situation that will remain relatively stagnate. While I'm certainly NOT advocating that means we should sprint inside or not take our usual precautions, it does mean that all things considered, we're going to get this sucker.

[havingfun]

from the one picture, i say offensive, it already self vented, get up there and protect the contents of the house, that is if there is any?and if not, there is nothing to protect, risk not worth it

[hp4l]

This looks a little similar to the Jan Drive fire in Dist. 20 last week, just with more fire. Fire in the attic, this one is self-vented. I would attempt to hit it from the interior with a 2 1/2" line and do a primary search. If sh*t hits the fan, back out and go exterior. Sounds transitional to me.