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Post by 3105 on Nov 28, 2007 5:38:18 GMT -5
kramer411 wrote:
"can you put something up in training about possible cheap simulators to use at the station on a duty shift or what not. Tonight at my shift at 331 we used pallets & plywood to simulate a roof and pulled out the saws to get used to them before we cut into our acquired house...worked really well and was free. Try to get some more ideas like this...it went really well"
Excellent idea and something I'm always interested in.....before anyone else kicks in, could you describe what you used, how you arranged them, and what you did with them?
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Post by Kramer on Nov 28, 2007 12:38:04 GMT -5
thanks for the thread...we simply took and piled up 3 pallets on the ground and then broke the parts of one pallet off to "fill in" another pallet to simulate a solid roof, with beams you would have to cut through and all, then leaned the solid pallet against the 3 that were stacked to simulate the pitch of the roof. the only problem was that it was many different planks instead of just one sheet of plywood to cut so sometimes it would break off before you could finish the complete cut, but it served the purpose to show the basics before we can dig in to the real house
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Post by Kramer on Nov 30, 2007 10:26:03 GMT -5
what do some other departments do???
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Post by thelurker on Dec 1, 2007 22:36:14 GMT -5
Although not inexpensive initially....
We built a roof simulator behind 202...actually its 2 stories with a "smoke house maze" inside. But continual operations fees are next to nothing. We bought a bunch of plywood which stays inside the building to stay out of the weather. When we cut the roof, we just get out the circular saw, and cut a few new patches for the cut areas, then we screw em up there, and bingo...good as new
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Post by JDub on Dec 3, 2007 22:21:44 GMT -5
Adding to lurkers post. One of our Battalion Chiefs added a "Quick Access" Tool to our ladder. Picture below. What I am told is that it is for tin roofs, tractor trailors and other thin metals. Well the idea is, we can find a piece of tin roof or something we can mount it the same way as plywood on our simulator so we can actually practice using this thing.  also what do you think of the tool? |
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Post by Kramer on Dec 3, 2007 22:57:30 GMT -5
Ive heard of these before and due to the high amount of mobile homes around me have always wanted to try it. supposedly they work, but i was talking to a salesman...
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Post by thelurker on Dec 6, 2007 12:35:44 GMT -5
Adding to lurkers post. One of our Battalion Chiefs added a "Quick Access" Tool to our ladder. Picture below. What I am told is that it is for tin roofs, tractor trailors and other thin metals. Well the idea is, we can find a piece of tin roof or something we can mount it the same way as plywood on our simulator so we can actually practice using this thing. also what do you think of the tool? I wondered what the hell that thing was for.... |
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Post by voyager9 on Dec 6, 2007 21:51:21 GMT -5
also what do you think of the tool? I think Biron called. He wants his stick back. |
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Post by 3105 on Dec 8, 2007 15:45:14 GMT -5
 I mentioned this one on the Watch Desk - an inexpensive prop for practicing cutting window bars and gratings using some 4 x 4's, brass valves, and 1/2 inch rebar. CL Dave Chezem of 311 put this together for us and the prop provides three different cutting positions: overhead horizonal, shoulder height vertical, and waist height horizonal. Just buy some 1/2 rebar pieces at Home Depot, push one through the valve and tighten it down. Dave installed a skike on the bottom of the 4 x 4 post to make set up real easy...just find a patch of dirt somewhere. |
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Post by Reverend on Dec 8, 2007 21:59:15 GMT -5
Adding to lurkers post. One of our Battalion Chiefs added a "Quick Access" Tool to our ladder. Picture below. What I am told is that it is for tin roofs, tractor trailors and other thin metals. Well the idea is, we can find a piece of tin roof or something we can mount it the same way as plywood on our simulator so we can actually practice using this thing. also what do you think of the tool? Seen this tool in action on you tube before, its kind of a variation of a san fran hook for tin ceilings. My personal feeling is that a chain saw (bullet chain) or rotary saw will do any thing this tool will and do it better with less effort. Yes in the mobile home or trailer arena this could have a place. But if you look at trailer constuction you will find that alot of trailers have thicker wood supports and metal u-channel for added stability. This tool will not get the job done. It may get you a primary hole but not the hole you want or need. I have to add this tool into my gimmick catagory. Ray |
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Post by Kramer on Jan 12, 2008 11:23:57 GMT -5
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