Make The Call #9

[3105]

Jim says he wants to mix it up a little....for your strategic and tactical consideration, please mull over the above...

[JDub]

CALL CHERRY HILL.....




If you have a way to support the porch or awning where the plane actually is (paratech), then support it. Call the building official and hazmat for the jet fuel. Once you know you have the building/plane stabilized, check for injuries if the people haven't crawled out yet.....thats all I got. I honestly don't know where to go from there.

[voyager9]

The good news is it doesn't look like the plane intruded on the building much. Primary concern is porch stability, not building stability. Next would be getting the pilot/crew out if they're not already (note open door). Then mitigate any fire hazard and pull a foam line as a precaution. If the fuel is leaking, dyke and dam though this may be futile given we're on grass/soil.

Would NTSB need to be notified?

[WebBoss]

Get a cop to issue the pilot a parking ticket. "You can't park that there!"

I do not believe the stability of the deck is going to be too involved. Any GOOD rescue company should be shore that up with 4x4 or 6x6 sticks to keep it from going anywhere. If you can't come up with enough wood right away, special call Stokely's and let him know what you need. He's always been willing to go above and beyond to help out.

This is a prop style plane, which only runs on high octane gasoline for the most part. Unless it's actively leaking, I wouldn't be to overly concerned with it.

Make sure the stability of the house itself is ok too. It doesn't look like there's much damage, but you never know. If the house is in question, this is where I might get Cherry Hill involved.

Having experiance as the EMS Branch Manager during the Mid-Air collision in Burlington Twp in 2000, I can tell you to make sure you have a confident unified command post in place. Have a good PIO ready to go, and make sure you have to police right beside you every step of the way. Get alot of fire police to keep everyone back and do not over crowd the area with extra unneeded resources. Make sure you have photo id with you and be prepared to see more unmarked cars and people with suits and guns then you've ever seen before. The FAA will be there within an hour. The NJSP will be there in full force as well. What's nice about the NJSP involvement is that you can easily get USAR TF-1's assistance if you need it for shoring and rescue efforts. They process moves alot faster when a troop calls for them versus a "bystander" like us.

Remember, planes are relatively light weight. The hardest part is going to get someone out of the plane because of the tight confines. Use the KED! Also, try not to cut the body of the plane too much. There are numerous fuel and hydraulic lines strung throughout the body of the plane and you're not going to know where there at to cut or spread around them.

[3105]

voyager9 said:

Would NTSB need to be notified?

Good question...although I can't say with any authority, I believe they should.. my motto is: when in doubt, notify anyway.

Sean: excellent stuff, especially about cutting into the fuselage with all the lines and cables...never occured to me. High octane gas isn't a problem?? How much would a plane like this carry?

JDub: your very first comment was right on target: call Cherry Hill, even if you're not 100% certain...you can always send them back. Recognizing this (as most did) as a rescue/stabilzation issue, it's the correct mind-set to be in.

OK...my call: Transitional with the hope of moving Offensive (Say What?)

Meaning: I'd approach the scene carefully until an assessment of the structure and deck was completed; then life safety/rescue issues, and finally, protection lines in case the gas lights off. Obviously evac the surrounding homes. As voyager recommended, notify FAA, NJSP, and NTSB.

[WebBoss]

3105 said:

Sean: excellent stuff, especially about cutting into the fuselage with all the lines and cables...never occured to me. High octane gas isn't a problem?? How much would a plane like this carry?

What I mean is it isn't any special hazard, it's something we deal with anytime there's an accident.

I'm not sure how much fuel, we have a fly boy at the 2-7 so I will find out. What I do know is that the fuel in most planes is carried in the wings, which makes life easy for us because it should be easy to tell if there's any leaks or not. I also know that the fuel cells in planes are not as easy to penetrate as one would think, or as hollywood would show.

Like I said, we have a flyboy at the firehouse. I'm going to see if we can get him to sign up to this site and give us some insight.

[bricker252]

As stated call cherry hill and I would have the deck re-shored to help support that.

As far as the building it self It appears that this is minor damage the to structure.
The building looks like it's ordinary construction and not just a brick veiner (sp) based on the fact that the windows and doors have lintels above and below them.
if this is true about it being ordinary then that also means that the front and back walls most likely aren't load baring. I wouldn't worry too much about collapse of the structure itself.

I would play it safe until the deck is supported because it most likely wasn't build to take a load of a plane on it. Then I would transition into offensive and check for victims not only in the plan but in the house where the plan hit too.