Make The Call #5

[3105]

Let's get to it....what do you see and want to do??

[tootall]

I see an exterior fire that has extended inside. If you look at the garage doors their is smoke or soot at the top sides of the doors.

My gut tells me that this fire looks bad but is simple to knock. Hit it from the outside real quick. Open up the garage doors and hit it there. Check for extension quickly in the house especially in the attic. Hold it with 1 and 1. Oh we are no in the city...hold it with the 2nd alarm!!! Lol

[JDub]

Knock it down and open up the garage and attack it from there. Send a hose team around back because maybe there is something we could do to hold it where it is.

[WebBoss]

tootall said:

I see an exterior fire that has extended inside. If you look at the garage doors their is smoke or soot at the top sides of the doors.

My gut tells me that this fire looks bad but is simple to knock. Hit it from the outside real quick. Open up the garage doors and hit it there. Check for extension quickly in the house especially in the attic. Hold it with 1 and 1. Oh we are no in the city...hold it with the 2nd alarm!!! Lol

Ditto...

My guess is there is extension in the attic by the way the smoke is pressurized enough to make it out between the shingles. Get a line or two in the house side, pull the ceilings, and knock the hell out of it. Write off the mud room, work the garage the best you can, but don't give up on the house itself.

3 and 2

[3105]

"My guess is there is extension in the attic by the way the smoke is pressurized enough to make it out between the shingles."

Ah...a Reading Smoke graduate! I saw the same thing too.....that's where the main problem will be five minutes from now when you've knocked down the visible stuff. "Remember: the flames tell you where it's been...the smoke tells you where it's going to BE" (Yoda, 2007)

[FirstDue312]

IMHO not really knowing too much about smoke a couple things strike me as odd about this and I was wondering if anyone could clear this up


1. The fire looks like it hasnt been inside really, almost as if an accelerant might have been used on the outside?
2. The cedar siding probably doesnt help that opinion ^^^
3. Agreeing with tootall and 05, it looks like this thing is moving as its not just in the eaves, but also on top of the roof.
4. 360 might give us a better picture of whats going on out back so the IC can make their determination if needs to be offensive or transitional.
5. As it stands at this point, the guy with the knob right now should hit the fire from the outside and get a second crew with a line into that garage and get your next due, truck or engine and find out what the hell is going on in the attic and roof

[1710]

It almost looks like the window pane in that storm door is still intact.

[3105]

1710 said:

It almost looks like the window pane in that storm door is still intact.

I agree...which means we may be looking at an exterior fire for the most part, although those wisps of smoke on the main roof make my ears go up. Although there's a good chance we'll knock the dog snot out it ith from outside, we can't let down our guard...it's starting to affect the void area.

[windtunnel]

just a bit of a rook opinion compared to about 90% of you seasoned guys/gals but ive been learning, i agree with a lot of members on knocking the bulk of the fire down from the outside.....but once that is done have another incoming crew check out the interior of the house...the crew doesnt even have a charged line in this picture..how long till ample water is supplied? how long for the crew to actually place the line in service? will the fire take that void space in that short time?.... just a few questions i was left with by this picture

[3105]

windtunnel said:

just a bit of a rook opinion compared to about 90% of you seasoned guys/gals but ive been learning, i agree with a lot of members on knocking the bulk of the fire down from the outside.....but once that is done have another incoming crew check out the interior of the house...the crew doesnt even have a charged line in this picture..how long till ample water is supplied? how long for the crew to actually place the line in service? will the fire take that void space in that short time?.... just a few questions i was left with by this picture

First off, "rook" opinion or not, everyone's comments, questions and information are welcomed...that's the entire point of this thread and forum. ALL of us, regardless of rank or time on the job, need to continue learning...I've missed quite a few things during my mental size-ups that others caught....so NEVER apologize for posting....

#1 Papa Cheese-ism: The most dangerous person on a fireground is the one who thinks he knows everything.

#2 Papa-Cheese-ism: Use the BIG head to make decisions, not the little one.

If you start at the original "Make the Call" post, the purpose of this thread is to identify what strategies and tactics you would choose based only on what you can see in the picture.

Where is the fire?
Where will it be five minutes form now? Ten minutes form now?
Is the building safe?
What is the risk versus the benefit?

[1900]

I would say this is a chimney fire. I mean the fire place is right there. Also look at the time of year with snow on the ground.

I would be more concerned with the smoke pusing through the shingles of the roof/attic area of the residence. The smoke coming out the garage doors isnt pushing that hard at all.

I would say (2) two 1 3/4" one to knock down the ouside fire. I wouldnt use the big gun, since there is really no fuel there at all. It doesn t look like there is anything on the porch to be burning. Once the outside fire was knocked I would take the first 1 3/4 to the garage.

The second 1 3/4" would go interior. Alot of truck work opening up ceiling and walls.

I would definately get someone up on the roof over the residence and open that up near where that smokes pushing out.

I would also consider a third 1 3/4, to be put in-service where needed.

[pcs200]

I agree its achimney fire,first take the front with a 2.5in,then have th truck co open the roof of the garage and the roll up doors. have asecond hand line in through div b if possable to start pulling and looking for extention.

[augdog]

looking at that pic is interesting. the fire area seems to have split the house in half. its just a guess but i think there might be a front door to the left thats not visible. if thats the case its just a decision on which way to attack. the garage is prob the likely target. an aggresive knock and overhaul might limit the spread, but if that smoke on the roof div gets worse, oh boy. i like the 3 and 2 idea again,

[fiercefighter]

I see a single family story house. Rancher style home. i would have one team hit the fire that is outside and would have someone put a hole in the roof look of things it may have a back draft after that I would send a interior attack the fire from the inside. Always remember safety first.