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Post by 3105 on Nov 25, 2007 16:28:38 GMT -5
 Jim's second offering.... and another thought provoker.....make the call, but DO NOT ASSUME. There's a couple of WTF's that have me thinking.... Again, humor me... |
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Post by 3105 on Nov 25, 2007 16:33:10 GMT -5
 Gotta ask...I've been fixated on this since I saw the picture....any ideas?  ? |
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Post by hp4l on Nov 25, 2007 16:36:45 GMT -5
I found these on Google images. This one is most likely from out west, I don't remember. Roof kinda gives that away.
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Post by hp4l on Nov 25, 2007 16:44:33 GMT -5
I think I would try to go offensive on this one. Fire appears to be on Div. 2 and self-vented through the roof. Div. 1 looks clear. Try to advance a 2 1/2" line up the stairs. The hose team needs to use their judgement as they advance. Get a 1 3/4" line in there at a minimum to back them up and protect the stairs. I wouldn't bother sending anyone to the roof, as it looks like it is already vented. I also don't know much about these roofs and if they pose any safety issues.
I have no idea what those things on the roof are. It looks like debris, but on a roof? I'd like to find out what that is. Might need to rethink our strategy if they end up being something else?
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Post by JDub on Nov 25, 2007 16:58:38 GMT -5
I would advance a hose up stairs to knock the fire down. Most likely an 1 3/4 just because the maneuverability so they can in the quick and see what they have. Hit the fire and knock it down. Possibly have a second attack line to divsion 2 depending on the location of he fire(one room or more than one). Also have a back up line to protect their egress. I would put an aerial up to check the roof division.
My guess on what's on the roof...it looks like maybe a towel like product or paper product. It seems like that the same type of thing is on the roof line too.....
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Post by WebBoss on Nov 25, 2007 17:02:32 GMT -5
A couple of well place handlines well supported by some agreesive hookmen. Minimal venting of the fire floor until the lines start getting a good hold on it., in an effort to keep the body of fire up and out, no spreading around the fire floor.
If no reduction in fire load within 5-10 minutes, all out and regroup.
Squrt (or other suitable aerial masterstream) goes up, house comes down.
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Post by 18102 on Nov 25, 2007 18:54:45 GMT -5
thats whats left of the aluminum soffit Gotta ask...I've been fixated on this since I saw the picture....any ideas? ? |
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Post by tootall on Nov 25, 2007 20:36:53 GMT -5
I am going to do something totally differnt...I am going defensive until I figure out exactly where the fire is.
It appears to be vacant or under construction the windows still have the labels on them. If you take a look at the D Side where that sofit should have been you can see right into the house.
You can see the glow of the fire in DIV 2 so it has definelty already made it inside if it was an exterior fire. Looking at the smoke its got that "Im burning bad shit" look to it...Pop you could answer that better than me.
Opening up is going to be a bitch...if even worth it at all....take a sledge hammer and a few younge men to get through the taracota...
It appears that they already have a line in service on Side B if you look you can see it....If I could I would put the ladder main right into the balcony window and blitz it.....
Just my two cents.
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Post by hp4l on Nov 25, 2007 20:41:38 GMT -5
Reading tootall's take on this has me rethinking my original take on it. If the crew were to go offensive, let's hope there is a good officer or crew member that will use his/her head and realize when it is time to get out and go defensive. Good observations tootall.
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Post by 3105 on Nov 26, 2007 6:17:07 GMT -5
Hmmm.....discussion, assessment, re-thinking...uncertainty...I smell "Transitional" here!
I like the commentary here...things are rarely as simple as we'd like them to be. Craig's comment about being under construction is excellent...that opens up a lot of possibilties, none of which are good.
As far as reading the smoke, aside from having achieved the "free burn" stage, the smoke color (brownish-red) is an indicator of untreated wood approaching its ignition point, meaning the void is rocking.....the absence of thicker, darker, more turbulent smoke would tell me the bulk of the fire is confined to the attic area we see and has not as yet affected a closed compartment
OK, with that in mind the last thing I'd do (in agreement with Sean) is put anyone on the roof for two critical reasons:
1) the supporting framework (rafters) are now officially compromised and,
2) Those clay tiles had a lot of weight to already weakened structure.
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