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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 13, 2007 22:05:44 GMT -5
Call Cherry Hill!!!
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Post by tootall on Dec 13, 2007 22:11:37 GMT -5
That is an easy out!!!
Think my boy think!!!!
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Post by Kramer on Dec 13, 2007 22:12:10 GMT -5
ok...if i roll in and see this im going to call for a total of 5 rescues, with fort dix, squad 27, and cherry hill included in that total. im going to want a total of 3 bls and 1 als, then the als supervisor, and fly a chopper for care of the patient(yes there is a live person in the remnants of a truck in there) the best i can do as an emt is try to cover obvious cuts, and as a extrication guy theres not much to do except for crib and fluids and control the vehicle...your gonna need the tech. guys for this one
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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 13, 2007 22:23:23 GMT -5
That is an easy out!!! Think my boy think!!!! haha you got it chief. Definitely after arrival, if victim is in vehicle. Have Ft.Dix, Westampton, Cherry Hill and Mercer County's Technical Team come in. 2 BLS, 1 Medic and Medic 100, 1 Engine Company and 1 Dedicated Rescue Company (Outside of the 4 previously stated). Stabilize that monster dump truck with whatever you got. Aeromedical dispatched as well. Keep everybody who isn't essential personnel away (obviously but with this im sure a crowd would appear quick) |
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Post by WebBoss on Dec 14, 2007 16:04:48 GMT -5
I'm not too sure this would have to go as far as 13-3, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get them moving. Get a couple of GOOD RESCUES, and Kevin Stokely to bring out a lot of lumber. I would have one engine company set up to do nothing but cutting custom lengths of wood. This way, we limit the amount of time and energy having to do everything with box cribing and wedges. Keep cribbing, and just start cutting away at it. One cut at a time untill you've made good access to the PT. Rotate your crews often and just keep at it.
Buy the looks of it, I would consider what it would take to cut away at the motor and tranny mounts of that crushed Dodge, crib up the motor, wrap a chain around it from a winch and yank it out of the way. Having a mechanic on site would be a huge help in a time like this. One the motor was free and you had access to the fire wall, start turning this into a reverse tunneling situation. Any good rescue company can tunnel through the rear of a car with a trunk, or through floor boards, so this shouldn't be that hard.
This looks like it's a labor intensive situation, but it also appears that it might not be as outlandishly hard as one would think.
292 - You keep calling Cherry Hill, but isn't Mercer TF801 first due Tech Rescue to your neck of the woods? (no pun intended)
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Post by hp4l on Dec 14, 2007 16:09:33 GMT -5
Not sure if this is the proper place to post this but here goes. I think we need to concentrate more on what we need rather then who. Meaning, we need tech rescue, not specifically Cherry Hill. Different parts of the county are going to have different entities come in based on their grids. This goes for other units as well. Just throwing it out there for future make the calls as a suggestion.
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Post by tootall on Dec 14, 2007 17:49:08 GMT -5
Jim,
I agree we should focus on what we would do not who would do it for us. However for some of these younger guys they might not know about Cherry Hill or TF801 or know a thing about technical rescue.
So for now on lets have a nice blend of tactics and who you would call. No easy outs of just call them and they do it....what happens if they are on another call?
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Post by WebBoss on Dec 14, 2007 17:57:33 GMT -5
In all honest opinion, this is something that you should have enough equipment for with just 2 rescue companies.
What you will need is several companies to provide support and logisitcal assistance.
This is one of those cases where you may not have "The Rescue Company" on the actual tools, but using "The Rescue Company" as the technical advisors directing everyone in what they're doing.
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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 14, 2007 21:23:27 GMT -5
I'm not too sure this would have to go as far as 13-3, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get them moving. Get a couple of GOOD RESCUES, and Kevin Stokely to bring out a lot of lumber. I would have one engine company set up to do nothing but cutting custom lengths of wood. This way, we limit the amount of time and energy having to do everything with box cribing and wedges. Keep cribbing, and just start cutting away at it. One cut at a time untill you've made good access to the PT. Rotate your crews often and just keep at it. Buy the looks of it, I would consider what it would take to cut away at the motor and tranny mounts of that crushed Dodge, crib up the motor, wrap a chain around it from a winch and yank it out of the way. Having a mechanic on site would be a huge help in a time like this. One the motor was free and you had access to the fire wall, start turning this into a reverse tunneling situation. Any good rescue company can tunnel through the rear of a car with a trunk, or through floor boards, so this shouldn't be that hard. This looks like it's a labor intensive situation, but it also appears that it might not be as outlandishly hard as one would think. 292 - You keep calling Cherry Hill, but isn't Mercer TF801 first due Tech Rescue to your neck of the woods? (no pun intended) Uh, I believe it was either tootall or sr. instr. taylor that told us CH is for the south end.. |
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Post by WebBoss on Dec 14, 2007 21:29:09 GMT -5
I'm not too sure this would have to go as far as 13-3, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get them moving. Get a couple of GOOD RESCUES, and Kevin Stokely to bring out a lot of lumber. I would have one engine company set up to do nothing but cutting custom lengths of wood. This way, we limit the amount of time and energy having to do everything with box cribing and wedges. Keep cribbing, and just start cutting away at it. One cut at a time untill you've made good access to the PT. Rotate your crews often and just keep at it. Buy the looks of it, I would consider what it would take to cut away at the motor and tranny mounts of that crushed Dodge, crib up the motor, wrap a chain around it from a winch and yank it out of the way. Having a mechanic on site would be a huge help in a time like this. One the motor was free and you had access to the fire wall, start turning this into a reverse tunneling situation. Any good rescue company can tunnel through the rear of a car with a trunk, or through floor boards, so this shouldn't be that hard. This looks like it's a labor intensive situation, but it also appears that it might not be as outlandishly hard as one would think. 292 - You keep calling Cherry Hill, but isn't Mercer TF801 first due Tech Rescue to your neck of the woods? (no pun intended) Uh, I believe it was either tootall or sr. instr. taylor that told us CH is for the south end.. I know the dividing line is right out your way there. I do know that 18 & 19 have TF801. In a complex situation such as this, me personally, I would "Special Call" Cherry Hill of that's the kind of resource I think I need. Again, personally speaking, that's only because I know alot of their guys and I know what they're capable of, whereas I have no idea what so ever about what TF801 does, or how they go about things. It would be nice if Chief Welling would join us here and fill us in though. (hint hint) |
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Post by ENG27SQ on Dec 14, 2007 21:34:18 GMT -5
Hm. Im not really 100% on that Sean. Whoever we need, we'll call I guess. It pays to be the man on the nozzle and not have to be the man to call people in! love being a firefighter only ;D
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Post by 3105 on Dec 15, 2007 15:11:12 GMT -5
Mr Tootall: The distinguished law firm of Dewey, Screwum, and Howe will be contacting you regarding the illicit and obviously underhanded infringement of our client's sensationally acclaimed "Make The Call" copyright.
You can expect to hear from my personal assistant within the next few days.
Signed...
Thurston T. Howe III, Esq.
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Post by tootall on Dec 15, 2007 20:02:05 GMT -5
Mine is called Make the Call EMS...notice the word EMS!!! much much different...
Sheshh you could have atleast left your "Make the Call" here!!!
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Post by opsoverkill on Dec 16, 2007 0:20:11 GMT -5
Come on boys!! Have some faith in yourselves.
Number 1 you do not need CHFD or TF801 for this job unless they have a piece of equipment they have and you need it. This is a basic extrication there boys. Stabilize the vehicle and start tunneling to the Pt. This of course will be labor intensive and equipment intensive. But do not go off the deep end because the size and difficulty of a rescue.
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Post by 3105 on Dec 16, 2007 9:55:21 GMT -5
Mine is called Make the Call EMS...notice the word EMS!!! much much different... Sheshh you could have atleast left your "Make the Call" here!!! Not knowing the difference between a tongue depressor and a backboard, my opinions/comments/thoughts regarding patient care would be somewhat less than totally ridiculous. From a rescue standpoint, I would first try to establish whether this is a recovery or a rescue; if it's the latter, I would then request two additional rescues for personnel and cribbing. I would seriously consider calling Cherry Hill, not because it's beyond our scope, but for the additional lumber/cribbing they could bring to the table. |
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Post by Kramer on Dec 16, 2007 12:00:21 GMT -5
FYI it IS a rescue...hes alive in there...when the thread dies down ill put the caption in that goes with this
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Post by 1900 on Dec 16, 2007 20:21:32 GMT -5
What would you benefit from calling in a "Tech Rescue"? What does Cherry Hill have that we dont???
Like Ops said, its a vehicle extrication. Get started and work at it. This is where having experience instead of classes comes in, as well as having a properly outfitted rescue comes in...
After we had the fork life rescue I was questioned as to why I didnt call for a Tech Rescue Team...My question back was For What? What do they have that we do not??? And look at that we handled that job and both Pt.'s made it.
Again these type of jobs are the difference between experience, training and equipment.
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Post by 1900 on Dec 16, 2007 22:20:17 GMT -5
Sorry had to go serve the public... What to do... I would first consider making entry to the entrapped vehicle from the front or rear of the dump truck. With the size of the vehicle I would think it would have a high ground clearance and with its width you may have adequate space to work. I may consider pulling the vehicle from under the dump truck. I highly doubt you would be able to remove a tire to gain access, considering the tire pry weighs several tons... If I was going to tunnel I would start from the rear...if you attempted to tunnel from the front just think how long it takes to remove an engine in an auto shop with someone that knows how to do it and without and additional obstructions. As far as cribbing...you would more then likely only have to crib the entrapped p/u truck...the dump truck looks pretty solid and I dont think its going anywhere...and we pry aint gots no wood with the ability to hold a load of that magnitude...if you needed cribbing for the D/T, I would consider heavy timber. Another thought would be to lift the D/T if the P/U was not attached to it. But again cribbing the D/T would be an issue. Maybe lift the D/T and pull the P/U out from under it...  ? |
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Post by opsoverkill on Dec 16, 2007 22:33:07 GMT -5
I like the side idea!!!! I would also consider from the top which would be the bottom of truck if there is space. Drive axle and exhaust then the floor board might work!!! or keep it to the side and remove frame rail in one side then get to floor board.
3105 understand what your saying from the manpower point but this county has some of the best vehicle rescue tech. in the area. I have been on jobs through out the state and prefer my chance right here in my backyard of Burlington County.
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