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Post by wellingcountry on Feb 26, 2008 11:04:18 GMT -5
From firefighterclosecalls.comNEW NFPA APPARATUS STANDARDS & HELMET WEARING/USE Tuesday, February 26, 2008 The following is in the new revision of NFPA 1901, effective for apparatus contracted on and after January 1, 2009. "14.1.8.4* The following statement shall be included in the operator’s manual: ’Fire helmets shall not be worn by persons riding in enclosed driving and crew areas. Fire helmets are not designed for crash protection and they will interfere with the protection provided by head rests The use of seat belts is essential to protecting fire fighters during driving.’ 14.1.8.4.1 A location for helmet storage shall be provided. 14.1.8.4.2 If helmets are to be stored in the driving or crew compartment, the helmets shall be secured in compliance to section 14.1.11.2. (This relates to the gforce restraints.) 14.1.8.4.3 A label stating ’DO NOT WEAR HELMET WHILE SEATED’ shall be visible form each seating position. A.14.1.8.4 The minimum seat head height values in this standard assume that the occupants are not wearing helmets. The use of helmets puts the occupant at greater risk of neck or back injury during a rollover or during a severe road event. Link to article firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?60623 |
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Post by voyager9 on Feb 26, 2008 13:02:53 GMT -5
From firefighterclosecalls.com14.1.8.4.2 If helmets are to be stored in the driving or crew compartment, the helmets shall be secured in compliance to section 14.1.11.2. (This relates to the gforce restraints.) This seems to be the most problematic. The space needed to store 5 helmets "safely" is probably pretty large compared with the available interior space. It is probably not just a locking hook for the D-ring. |
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Post by opsoverkill on Feb 26, 2008 13:53:44 GMT -5
No problem. Give the companies with big money to invent and produce the Helmet Butler. Like its sister product the Glove Butler
Price I bet will be arouund $125.00 a piece.
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Post by papacheese on Feb 26, 2008 14:33:32 GMT -5
I was told that the helmet thing was going to hit and that there are a number of safety related features that now must be incorporated in the truck design and manufacture, such as a display visible to both the D/O and officer which indicates the number of seats occupied as well as whether the seat belt for that particular seat is engaged.
The helmet restraint makes perfect sense if you think about it; I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but can easily see someone's neck getting snapped during a rollover despite being belted in. Farfetched? Maybe...but from my standpoint, a fire helmet is the least comfortable kind of hat to wear, adding a lot of "whip" to your neck movements.
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Post by Reverend on Feb 26, 2008 14:50:34 GMT -5
Never thought it was a problem, but it is a good idea. A special restraint system in the trucks though, whatever. Personally when I am at work I keep my lid under the seat next to the irons. It is available when I get out and wont hit me durring a accident. The helmet wont hit me but the 200+lbs of other stuff might.
New product idea: FIREFIGHTER IN A BUBBLE, arrives without a scratch everytime, but cant do anything becuase he is in a bubble.
Be safe guys, use good judgement, and look out for each other.
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Post by thelurker on Feb 26, 2008 15:59:28 GMT -5
someone suggested to me that next will be firetrucks in everyone's driveway, and we will just walk to the call to justify the new reflective safety vests that are being mandated.
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Post by papacheese on Feb 26, 2008 16:09:39 GMT -5
I have to chuckle at Rev and Lurker's commentary, but the "overkill phase" was bound to happen eventually. That's what happens when we don't take care of our own business ourselves but let it get so out of hand that the "governmental forces of righteousness" feel compelled to step in.
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Post by thelurker on Feb 26, 2008 18:56:02 GMT -5
now can someone answer something for me? Why do I need a break away safety vest when the turnout coat under it isn't break away. One of the guys here suggested it breaks away so the cops know where to start measuring from. They measure from the vest to your body...it helps make the paperwork go quicker.
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Post by thelurker on Feb 26, 2008 22:29:51 GMT -5
has anyone seen one of these proposed helmet retention thingys?
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Post by voyager9 on Feb 27, 2008 8:06:09 GMT -5
While I can see unrestrained helmets being a problem during an accident, I can't imagine neck injury from wearing them is really an issue. As Chief said, the helmet isn't very comfortable anyway. I don't know of anyone who wears them while on the apparatus. I would imagine only 0.0001% of us would wear the lid while riding, and their the ones who still drink juice from a sippy cup..
It makes sense to have the ability to secure helmets on the rig. My concern is doing so is going to create a huge Goldberg-esk contraption in the cab which serves to take up what little room there is, block visibility, and in general be such a PITA that it doesn't get used anyway.
I thought the break-away vests were to help struggling CoEds earn money for college...
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Post by shader101 on Feb 27, 2008 8:59:55 GMT -5
i like the bubble concept, but i think it was invented long ago when the 1st chiefs buggy was placed in service, next up a tube to sample the drivers for known dangerous substences, then a smart seat to measure body fat content/ blodd pressure ect., that truck with the destructor boom looks better all the time lol
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Post by papacheese on Feb 27, 2008 10:13:58 GMT -5
"....that truck with the destructor boom looks better all the time lol"
[glow=red,2,300]Told you! LOL[/glow]
I wasn't going to reveal this until all the patents were lined up, but I've been designing an oversized bazooka shell filled with CO2. Simply aim at the wavy orange stuff and pull the trigger. Just make sure your loader stays clear of the back blast (safety first!)
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Post by thelurker on Feb 27, 2008 10:51:41 GMT -5
"....that truck with the destructor boom looks better all the time lol"[glow=red,2,300]Told you! LOL[/glow]I wasn't going to reveal this until all the patents were lined up, but I've been designing an oversized bazooka shell filled with CO2. Simply aim at the wavy orange stuff and pull the trigger. Just make sure your loader stays clear of the back blast (safety first!) And don't forget to wear Eye and Ear protection |
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Post by thelurker on Feb 27, 2008 10:53:58 GMT -5
quick fix for the helmet thing......
leave them on the bumper, side boards, or tail board. I've seen it done often with mixed results. This will also slow our drivers down so they don't shed all of the helmets before they get on scene
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Post by shader101 on Feb 27, 2008 20:55:47 GMT -5
one white helmet left on the bumper,cost us a new oil pan for a kind motorest who droped it off at the station, while bleeding oil all over the street, the old oil pan was painted white complete with shield and chin strap and presented at the next fd banquet
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