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[thelurker]

Feb 13, 2009 20:54:00 GMT -5 soon2bfdny said:

well guys i didnt know this site was for kissing fdny people's asses. i was simply asking the question. i guess you are only allowed to ask questions to non-fdny members. you guys think whatever fdny does means its the right thing to do. and cmcollier you should be a little better at taking a little criticism. im sure you didnt know everything before you got to new york.

also who is marc anyway and what does CBX have to do with anything

Listen man, I think they were trying to nicely tell you to stop being a douche bag, but since that doesn't seem to be working...
STOP BEING A DOUCHE BAG

[Reverend]

Feb 13, 2009 21:51:44 GMT -5 rp42 said:

does that work good for you guys Rev? Im tryin to test it out on our frist out truck. do you guys also have that notch welded on top ot marry them? I know philly runs that or the denver tool and the haligan for the force seat dependin on the company.

Soon2beFDNY i think marc is breakingsomemirror but not sure. It was a good question but it seems like everything here gets turned into ball busting and my way is better. but thats just me.

No rp42, we dont have them modified to marry up. Usually the officer will take the maul along with his halligan. This only because the halligan is stored in a side compartment, with the maul. The other crew members have their tool assignments in the cab for the most part. We also carry the denver tool on our engines, personnally not a big fan buit some guys like it. Marc is not breaking some mirrors, just a mutual fried of me, other board members, and cmcollier.

[rp42]

ok thanks. We have the denver tool was well. It's very awkward esp. with the hook at the bottom of it. thanks for the info.

[cmcollier]

Feb 13, 2009 20:54:00 GMT -5 soon2bfdny said:

well guys i didnt know this site was for kissing fdny people's asses. i was simply asking the question. i guess you are only allowed to ask questions to non-fdny members. you guys think whatever fdny does means its the right thing to do. and cmcollier you should be a little better at taking a little criticism. im sure you didnt know everything before you got to new york.

also who is marc anyway and what does CBX have to do with anything

You're right, I didn't know everything before I got to NY and now that I'm here I still don't. If you look at my response to your question you would see that I explained what you asked and even gave you some web links to check out. What are you talking about taking criticism? I know this thread is about tools, but I'm done talking about you.

As far as the maul and halligan, I like the axe better. On our rig we have both an 8 lb. axe and an 8 lb. maul for the irons man. He picks what he wants to carry along with the hydraram.

[thelurker]

Feb 12, 2009 22:24:13 GMT -5 cmcollier said:

You can then hook the hook onto the window sill with the other end extending into the room. You can use the hook as a 6' extension of your body. You can keep the end of the hook on the window sill, the hook (6') plus your arm span (approx 6') plus the 30" of the halligan equals an almost 15' radius you can search while still in contact with your egress.

Exactly why I use the 4 foot hook (sorry for the quote instead of the apostrophe earlier) We don't have one of these available in a 6' length so I do the best that I can with this one.

And in response to what someone said earlier, FDNY may not always be right, but they have the hands-on experience, history, and R&D to back up everything that they do. So if it works for them, THE busiest FD in the world, we can probably take a cue from a good portion of what they do.

[breakingsomemirror]

Rev is correct. Not sure who Marc is but he's not me. Don't drag me into this. I just put my two cents in and tried to help.

Peace out.

[voyager9]

For the interior search I prefer the Halligan and axe combo since they can be used for the search and for any FE. For commercial buildings I like the idea of replacing the axe with maul or something a little heftier.

For OVM/VES the 4' hook/Halligan is the way to go for the excellent reasons Rev/Lurker gave.

While a douchebag is a tool, I wouldn't take it interior with me. They're perfect when paired with a yard gnome.

[cmcollier]

Feb 16, 2009 10:29:44 GMT -5 voyager9 said:

For the interior search I prefer the Halligan and axe combo since they can be used for the search and for any FE. For commercial buildings I like the idea of replacing the axe with maul or something a little heftier.

an 8 lb. axe and an 8 lb. maul both weith 8 lbs.

[voyager9]

Feb 16, 2009 11:48:09 GMT -5 cmcollier said:

an 8 lb. axe and an 8 lb. maul both weith 8 lbs.

True..at that point it's personal preference.

[soon2bfdny]

Feb 16, 2009 10:29:44 GMT -5 voyager9 said:

For the interior search I prefer the Halligan and axe combo since they can be used for the search and for any FE. For commercial buildings I like the idea of replacing the axe with maul or something a little heftier.

For OVM/VES the 4' hook/Halligan is the way to go for the excellent reasons Rev/Lurker gave.

While a douchebag is a tool, I wouldn't take it interior with me. They're perfect when paired with a yard gnome.

so would you use the 8 lbs. yard gnome instead of the 8 lbs. douchebag because its a little heftier?

[soon2bfdny]

can anyone let me know how asking a simple question about doing a search with a hook equals me being a douche bag?

also can anyone show me facts that fdny goes to the most fires. i agree they are one of the largest fire dept and they have alot of toys, do you think they really go to fires every minute of the day. i bet camden, for its size, goes to more fires.

this site is about learning but watch out if you ask the wrong question to the wrong person. im sorry cmcolleir for asking you a question. where is it that you work in the city. i saw on a web site there are A B and C companies

[rp42]

Feb 16, 2009 9:47:51 GMT -5 breakingsomemirror said:

Rev is correct. Not sure who Marc is but he's not me. Don't drag me into this. I just put my two cents in and tried to help.

Peace out.

my bad bro sorry about that.

[breakingsomemirror]

No worries! It's all good. ;D

[fireman1190]

Feb 16, 2009 13:28:24 GMT -5 soon2bfdny said:

also can anyone show me facts that fdny goes to the most fires. i agree they are one of the largest fire dept and they have alot of toys, do you think they really go to fires every minute of the day. i bet camden, for its size, goes to more fires.

The only way thats close to being true is because Camden doesn't have that many companies. And call volume often depends on the company. Some FDNY companies run 4 or more workers a day, and I doubt 4 working fires happen in the entire city of Camden on an average day.

I usually choose a Halligan. They're just so versatile, you can't go wrong.

Neither of my two departments use Mauls or Denver tools, so I know little about their practicality. I think a flathead axe works fine as a sledge when doing conventional forcible entry and such, but many departments seem to be carrying 6lb axes, and the extra weight of an 8lb axe or maul would be better.